Talk:Orc

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I think this website can shorten the page-name to "Orc". I've shortened a number of Wikipedia pages in that way. (If the "author" agrees, one of us can just "move" the article.)

Robin Patterson 02:47, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

By all means, change it.

Since all the Orcs are mentioned here we should copy them to articles over on the characters page --Darth Mantus 12:11, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] good orcs?

Please look at the "Historical" section. While some may interpret that quote as showing that there were some good orcs, i think that's stretching it a wee bit. furthermore, to really take that quote in that context implies that there were some dragons, trolls, spiders, and other things malformed by Melkor who fought for the Alliance against Sauron. interesting that tolkien never wrote anything of "Puff," the good dragon who helped Elendil and Gil-galad defeat Sauron. Another way to look at the quote is that Tolkien didn't take Orcs or other evil things as fully sentient beings, and thus not a race. Why only with the influence and power of Melkor/Sauron could these evil things pose a significant threat (such as when the orcs fled after the 2nd fall of Sauron). True species would, in a theological sense, would be those that were created or permitted by Eru, Arda's God. Elves and Men are races because they are the children of God; Dwarves are also a races as they were adopted by God. So please remove that section before I do.